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You have more balls than any of the Democrats who clapped for the dictator.

on 2006-02-01 03:09 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] vlvtjones.livejournal.com
Word.

on 2006-02-01 03:27 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] flakaseagulls.livejournal.com
as much as i hate to say it, more than half the country voted for him this second round. travelling abraod, right, a lot of people agree with massachusetts, new york and southern california. but almost every other place i've travelled in this country, man, a lot of them love bush. this isn't my attempt to be an idiot about semantics--its more that ever valuable voice that disagrees with current policy can more effectively argue alternative policies if we incorporate the knowledge that there are a lot of people in the country who agree with bush.

on 2006-02-01 03:31 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] mikecap.livejournal.com
That's perfectly accurate. A lot of Americans are also stupid.

My uncle regrets voting for Bush in the last election. He has since switched parties. I suspect that many of that "more than half" feels like he does, hence the approval rating approximately as low as Nixon's pre-impeachment.

Dictator, and traitor to the law and the people.

on 2006-02-01 01:25 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] bonisagus.livejournal.com
Yes and then the next morning half the people that voted for Bush woke up and said, "Oh my God, what did we do?"

on 2006-02-01 02:56 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] flakaseagulls.livejournal.com
well just because they regret their decision doesn't make them any less responsible for it, and given the law of the land, when you vote a President in office they tend to stay their for a few years. which is why if we want a change we need to focus on educating people for the NEXT election so that people who legitiamtely feel bad about this president can get someone in with different policies. i just beleive it's counterproductive to relegate the current situation to a coup of a dictator when actually it's more complicated than that.

on 2006-02-01 07:21 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] souterrain.livejournal.com
My children will be seeing the repercussions of this administration when they are my age, twenty to twenty-five years from now, unless it is made clear that the current president is a traitor.

How many leaders who have been elected by overwhelming majorities have turned out to be criminal scumbags? The fact of the matter is that he is doing these things now, he needs be held accountable for these things now and I don't care whether one American or 142 million Americans voted for him.

on 2006-02-02 04:22 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] flakaseagulls.livejournal.com
right--election results dont excuse someone from criminal acts they commit later. hence the institution of impeachment. but let me ask you this--why do you think he hasn't been called up as a traitor by the justice department? why do you think democrats or congress as a whole isn't uniting to say "you broke XYZ law, you need to pay"? if you feel he broke laws, what do you think can be done about it (to address said acts)? how do you want to prevent it in the future?

on 2006-02-02 04:26 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] mikecap.livejournal.com
Because he appointed cronies to the Justice department and because party politics prevents the Congress from acting.

on 2006-02-02 08:36 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] flakaseagulls.livejournal.com
i don't think it's that simple, but for argument's sake i'll agree--so what, we just sit down and do nothing? there's a lot we can do, as i mentioned before, regarding getting more democrats in office, regarding lobbying for investigations, building cases and working with public institutions...
Posted by [identity profile] mikecap.livejournal.com
It's really not counterproductive to call things what they really are. Go back and look at history, and you'll see exactly the same patterns. One party takes over, manipulates the system, and paves the way for a dictator. It happened in Russia, Italy, and Germany, and we're next if we don't stop it.

We're just a few short steps away from a Hitler - a real one, an insane one. Right now we're very close to a Mussolini. The power hungry have grabbed the reins, and they are making it impossible for anyone else to take them away.
Posted by [identity profile] flakaseagulls.livejournal.com
right--bush was elected and he has the support of congress to push his/the republican agenda. my point is, vilifying bush so extremely carries with it the wrong focus, the implication that getting rid of him solves the problem. it doesn't--we have a republican congress, they put him in there because they wanted him to push their agenda. we have to focus/work to get more democrats into congress in 2006--it's critical, hard, expensive work, but necessary if things are going to change direction.

also, hitler believed "jews aren't human" and killed 6 million of them. do you really believe bush is capable of that kind of madness? or the republican party? what do you want to do about it?





Posted by [identity profile] mikecap.livejournal.com
Bush is the lynchpin. Attacking him destablizes the whole system. He has the ability to pardon criminals and appoint more cronies and make the problem worse overall. He is like the running faucet that we have to turn off before we can mop up the rest of the mess. It's not just Congress! There are many, many "insiders" who are not elected officials who are solely appointed by the president.

Also I am certain there are a lot of people who support the administration who believe that homosexuals and muslims aren't human. Denying civil rights is the first step along the path to denying humanity.
Posted by [identity profile] mikecap.livejournal.com
Anyone is capable of madness when the circumstances are right.

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